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global initiative, business and government and ngo s were in attendance to talk about big ideas, big problems. one of the problems they talked about at both places was syria. another was middle east protest about a film that attacked mohammed and the third was iran and nuclear weapons. we begin with the former president of the united states bill clinton in conversation with me and my colleague at cbs nora o'donnell. >> rose: do you think this election the president has said that change has to come from outside rather than in washington, that this election has the possibility of producing a change that will be able to overcome gridlock. >> i don't think it to the only has the possibility, i think it almost certainly will. and let me explain why. i think the president's going to win but let's assume governor romney won. if he wins, that almost certainly means the republicans will hold on to the house and it will be about 50/50 in the senate, more or less the way it is now. you can't filibuster a budget. it's the only thing that doesn't require 60 votes in the senate to pass o as oppose
to the failure of, for the federal government to give money to the states in this time of crisis, which president obama supported. but you know, i think you'd see independent women, as i said before, a growing block of women, not just progressives are democrats, democratic women, could you worry about the fact that their daughter, for example, might not have access to planned parenthood, which, by the way, is really about women's health, mammograms, and not just these hot-button issues of reproductive choice. so i do think the independent women voters are the canary in the coal mined in terms of the seeing a republican party that is not hospitable or open to women's health rights, and linked to that in order to control your economic destiny you need to control your health. host: michael is a political science major. >> i will begin with the article that ran on "the nation" frontpage. why have appointments gone by the wayside in this election? guest: president obama has faced obstruction but has not been as engaged with putting forward judges. by the way, the supreme court today may be years 2% of
a number of years in the spanish government from 1977 to 82. he was an active participant in the negotiations for spanish entry to what is now the european union, the european economic community. he also participated in a number of spanish negotiation then they got, not wto and with the european union and spain a century into the union after democracy was restored in spain and spain was welcomed into the european community process. in the last year at this government coming was minister of the presidency, played a very essential role in the entire spanish government situation. shortly after he joined banco santander and has now been there for over 20 years. he is now vice-chairman of the bank, member of the board, also member of the board of banesto, banco santander in portugal, a member of the board of a number of other financial companies in the group and is president of the print of the foundation and spain. i think we are uniquely privileged data to have a speaker from banco santander with its unique ability to see both the spanish situation, the overall banking situat
hollywood, big government, big journalism, and big peace, p, e, a, c, e. he became a big player what is come to be called the new media including work as editor on "the drudge report" website and yes the "huffington post". bull buckley didn't dwell in the past but he believed we should and could learn from it. he was fascinated by the rise of the new media and encouraged conservatives to become involved in it as he had in the old media. he didn't live to see it come to full fruition and andrew left us too soon for him to become a greater influence than he already has. a tribute to him that his web sites and work endure. it is my pleasure as the winner of last year's william f. buckley, jr., award to present this year's award posthumously to andrew breitbart. may he rest in peace. [applause] may he rest in peace and may his legacy live on. accepting the award is oars son dean, susie's father and with him is alley mills dean. ♪ . >> thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you. you may remember me. i formally went on the screen, under the name of irene dunne. at my age i have some fr
debates later on. maybe you two can negotiate that. if you cut government benefits -- a secretly recorded video of mitt romney at a private fund- raiser was made public -- let's take a look. >> 47% of the people -- who will vote for the president a matter what. who believe the government has responsibility to care for them. who believe they are entitled to health care and food and housing, you name it. that is an entitlement. >> texas -- in 2010, 30.5% of texans filing era -- return paid no income tax. there is no data on how many texans get government assistance, but the census bureau found 24% get social security. 20 -- 14% did retirement income. 5% disability bed -- benefits and 14% from strands. mr. cruz, do you believe that government has a responsibility to care for them? >> of course not. i agree with mitt romney when he says his comments were poorly phrased. keefe said they were in elegantly stated. i think there is a difference. part of the philosophy of president obama is trying to get as many americans as possible dependent on government so that the democrats can stay in power
make it seem as though that when you talk about limits on the national government, that's antithetical to the constitution, the existence of a national government. it's embeddedded in the original argument. it argument was about limits. it wasn't about -- you hear this kind of and all these people trying to push us back to the article. that's ludicrous. and that's -- but helped to develop the constitution. .. the same time you understand there are some people still fighting the debate that engage in that debate and subsequent to that even in the adoption of 13th and 14th and 15th amendments you still have so we are still talking about what are the amendments of the national guard? what is the role of the national government, how we protect individual rights and liberties etc.. >> what's move forward and start talking about the events that press the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments. i want our audience, everybody on c-span it isn't just -- it is a special anniversary, it isn't just a to enter the 25th anniversary of the year that changes everything in human history, we the people. it's al
on them by the government. >> he estimates the fact that as governor in eliminated the estate tax and took more than 100,000 low income virginians of the income tax rolls. i just thought i would correct him there. george and i have very different strategies. this is one of the most important programs that has ever been done by the government. more than 50% of american seniors have retired into poverty before it was passed. thank you we have -- thank god we have those days behind us. that would've been a huge catastrophe prior to the collapse in washington. what i would do is allow the payroll tax of words as a way of protecting the solvency of the program. on medicare, george allen supports the ryan budget that would turn medicare into a voucher program and push costs onto the seniors. i propose a senior savings costs, for example ending the prescription -- that we get. that would save us without jeopardize in the benefit of all. >> mr. allen, to ask both of you to take one minute to respond to tim kaine's assocation about medicare and to support the ryan budget? >> what i support is prese
who are not in the government, it's incumbent on us to continue to encourage cooperation inside and outside. all of us have thoughts and suggestions to offer and some have technological expertise to land or policy expertise as well but it doesn't have to be done internally and it's terrifying when the government says we are here to help you. we are from the transparency community. we are here to help house well. with that i would like to thank all of the panelists. i would like to thank representative fisa and -- issa and quigly. please visit transparentycaucess for the next event and thank you all so much. [applause] i want to raise an issue that has been for two or three weeks specifically on the national security terms. you already are the oldest president in history and some of your staff say you were tired after your most recent encounter with mr. mondale. i recall president kennedy had to go days on end with bear minimum sleep during the cuban missile crisis. is there any doubt in your mind you would be able to function in such circumstances? >> not at all. i want you to k
in changing our policy in afghanistan to count terrorism. we're trying to prop up a government in afghanistan. couldn't terrorism requires far less troops and focuses at striking against al qaeda sweledl as well as any taliban insurjents we might need for the purpose of our fight. i believe that the draw down in afghanistan is well positioned. i'm actually an advocate of something that is more accelerated. i have been for quite some time and i believe we focus on couldn't terrorism which risks less lives. >> we're going to go back on the economy. you say you support a comprehensive solution to the deficit that includes revenues and cuts in spending. can you name one program you've eliminated while you've been in congress? >> yes the s 22. i voted this is something the pentagon did not want but there were those advocating for it. i voted against the s22 which was cut by the way. i voted on a different alternative fighter engine that was not necessary as well and that was cut. and those are examples of programs that were cut. but whey don't want to do is what my opponent says he embraces the ry
this can happen if the make of government on november 7 is the same as it is today? >> no. i think will happen for another reason. i think first of all when people figure out there's a big chunk of change, and second of all when you have the debate between the people trying to protect entitlement, and the people trying to kill energy, who are you betting on? >> in california they're saying just allow the winter fuel blend is not early is going to save, make as much as 50 cents a gallon, they've been paying over $5 a gallon in california, and california has created -- [inaudible] >> california is america if we don't change. that's a scary thought. you can see the future, just look to california. it should scare everybody in america. no one would want to go the. part of the answer of california is to stop trying to be the federal government. they can save a lot of money if they pull back from the own agencies and own regulations. but i do think we have this opportunity, to tom's point on this leg of the school got it all fits on a growth like if you will. because i think that we woul
years, we have had revenues coming into the federal government at a level around 15% of gdp. that is a 60-year low. since 1960, we have never had a balanced budget in a year when revenues were less than 18% of gdp. in 2001, the last year we had a surplus, revenues were at 19.5% of gdp. we have a revenue problem. we need tax reform to solve it. some on the left have suggested corporate tax reform could be a source for new revenue but here i disagree. to preserve our international competitiveness, it is imperative we seek to reduce the corporate rate from 35% and do it on a revenue-neutral basis. this will boost growth and encourage more companies to reinvest in the united states. corporate tax reform, under the leadership of chairman baucus senator hatch should be treated separately from our attempt to get a handle on the deficit. but when it comes to the individual side of the code, our approach must be different. in this part of reform, the new money we collect from broadening the tax base cannot all be applied to prepare -- to reducing rates or else we will not get enough
and the democrats. how they essentially tried to bring the federal government's financial house to some kind of order. the answer is they failed. we have a federal government whose financial house is in total disorder, total disarray. it is a historic problem. to try to put it in english, we have a trillion dollars of iou outstanding in the world. the negotiations, they agreed to raise what they call the debt ceiling, so the government can borrow a couple more trillion dollars. we are going to run it run out of that borrowing authority january or february of next year. they're going to have to go back and authorized congress for more trillions of dollars of borrowing. the republicans and lots of people in congress don't want to authorize that. so there is going to be a bloody negotiation, unless they can work a deal. in a sense, this is a book about the past, but it's about the present. it is about where we are going and what the country's future is. if you think about it i would argue that the inability of the government to fix this borrowing debt deficit issue in the book, vice president b
working for our government needs to have protection, and that is an abject failure and that should be a big thing in this election. a chocolates look at mitt romney's comments yesterday in virginia -- host: let's look at mitt romney put the comments just in virginia. [video clip] >> the attacks on america should not be seen as random act. they are a larger struggle that is played out over the middle east, a region that is in the midst of the most profound upheaval in a century. the fault lines of this struggle can be seen in benghazi. the attack on our consulate on september 11, 2012, was likely the work of forces affiliated with those that affect our homeland on september 11, 2001. the latest result can not be blamed on a reprehensible video, despite the administration's attempts to convince us of that. the administration has finally conceded these attacks were the deliver work of terrorists they use violence to impose their ideology on others and who seek to wage perpetual war on the west. guest: it is interesting. on the one hand, mitt romney was criticized for his initial respo
about a stimulus and hiring more government workers and having the government making investments. of course, he talks about raising taxes. they plan to raise taxes on the american people and that will kill jobs. we want to create jobs and not kill jobs in this country. [applause] we also heard this plan are raising taxes and cutting medicare. in fact, there has been a study released this week. the people look at his spending plans and all of the debt they create and interest that its charge. he will raise taxes on the middle class as well by some $4,000 per family. the american people do not want more taxes. they want less spending and more growth. we will do that and get america back on a balanced budget. [applause] i do not want to raise taxes on any one. this president seems to think that keeping our taxes the same as they are now is a huge tax cut. only in washington would do thing keeping taxes as they are is a huge tax cut. hot i will find a way to bring our taxes down -- i will find a way to bring down our taxes. we will give the middle class a tax break. [cheers and appla
's presence. they think tice was being detained in august but the government has not acknowledged it. happening in frib, gunmen opened fire on a university in northeastern nigeria. 20 people are now dead. no one has claimed responsibility for the attack but it happened in an area that's been a targeted by islamic militants. we are deeply sorry for what happened. that is the response from ikea. the swedish retail giant came under criticism for intentionally removing photos of women in catalogs that were shipped to saudi arabia. the company is investigating why these photos were omitted in the first place. saudi arabia does not prohibit the presence of women in marketing materials. and hong kong, 38 people are dead in the territory's deadliest maritime accident in decades. a passenger ferry collided with another boat last night off of lamma. police have arrested seven screw members from the boats and rescue crews are still looking for survivors. >> reporter: a night of celebration turned to tragedy as water rushed in through the boat's hull. >> translator: the boat was standing straigh
anybody is entitled to success. we don't believe government should help people who are not trying to help themselves. but we do believe in something called opportunity. we believe that hard work should pay off in this country, responsibility should be rewarded in this country, that this is a country where everybody should get a fair shot and everybody should do their fair share and everybody is playing by the same rules. we believe in an america where no matter what you look like or where you come from, what your last name is, who you love, that you can make it if you try. that is the country i believe in, that is what i and fighting for, that is why i am running for a second term as president of the united states. [applause] [crowd changint "four more years"] what i want to promote is a new economic patriotism, that we grow this economy best where everybody has a shot and the middle class is thriving. i will pretend that it will be easy to get there. it took us a bunch -- i will not pretend that it will be easy to get there. it took us a bunch of years to get into this mess and will take
on the economy, health care and the role of government in americans' lives. >> the federal government has the capacity to help open up opportunity and create ladders of opportunity and create frame works where the american people can succeed. >> what we're seeing right now in my view a trickle down government approach which has government thinking it can do a better job than free people pursuing their dreams and it's not working. >> border violence, tensions ratchet up in the middle east as turkey and syria exchange fire in deadly clashes along their shared border. >> season for the ages. miguel cabrera, baseball's first >> season for the ages. miguel cabrera, baseball's first triple crown winner in 45 years. r this is the "cbs morning news" for thursday, october 4, 2012. "cbs morning news" good morning. good to be withyou. i'm terrell brown. today both president obama and mitt romney return to the campaign trail following last night's debate in denver. as expected the economy dominated their first one on one showdown. romney came out swinging as the candidates argued tax policy, budget d
perspective when it comes to the tune of government than i do. i think you believe that government is the wherewithal for what we need in this country. i do not. i believe in private enterprise, private responsibility, but i thank you for your service. welcome for that service. i respect that she is a mother, a rancher, a small business person. i think she is campaigning in all three of those things they have a great deal of respect for what she did on a school board and a legislature. you are always putting yourself at risk. we have fundamental disagreements. the negative advertising, in one year and -- on you have to do is avoid watching television is not a bad option. what she just said is not true. i started a business in nebraska, and the first thing i had to do to start our business must get a permit from the city office, talk to the county, the state. i understand that government does not create jobs. i understand you've got to be careful with taxes and regulation to make that hpen. thats political rhetoric in my view, and it does not resemble the facts. she said it is diffu
worried are you? >> i am very worried. my friends who are working for the government and contributing and supporting the military don't know what the future is for themselves. they are supporting our special operators on the very edge of battle and watching all of the conversation about defense spending cuts and they are just worried about how to protect themselves. >> brian: i see that good looking guy behind you. what have you done in the last 10 years? >> i recently retired and finished up as sergeant of the task force and special operations and i returned to afghanistan as an advisor for petraeus. >> brian: look at that picture to the right. that looks follow. go ahead. >> right behind me besides the bad mustache. we are training th new iraqi counter terrorism force. >> brian: that was you in bin laden's compound. where they did the famous going through the monkey bars and everything. this is just there. >> what you see there, remember all of the jihadi videos and they popumm out of the ground. that ring i have was made from the mine which bin laden was mining to sponsor terrorism
we a agree with that. right? we got outwith digni, wegave the government there a chance. whether they take the chae or not, i d't know. afghantan doest even look like we' going to get of there with a stable government 'causei is a crook, i thinhe's a crook. and the tan just waiti in thountains of pakistan a weeave. ok. let's go to in. the psident says he's mak inroads with alt sanctions, at they're suffering there and tat they're going to cave and if ssary.on't, he'll do whas what we mu is what he sd, to prevent th fm hing nuclear fail? >> ngovernment inerodn history stopped anher governmentrom building a nuke. the problem have in irans do y police tos policy. we have companies in the united states, companiesll over the world doing economic busins, making money i ira u want t hurt iran? you g to play hard ball economically. the military tion has got to be off the table. >> bl: so you thinkhat when yosau the marility option has to be offly not going to be off the tabole t the israelisand you can't tell them to do it 'cause they're g gointo do what they want. >> tcat do it witut
have no problem with requiring an i.d. as long as number one, you know, the government makes a proactive effort to go to people who are qualified to vote, register to vote but you know, don't have i.d.s and you know i wonder for example some states, why does an expired, and i will say this for tsa too, why does an expired driver's license not work? i mean, did your identity change because your driver's license -- license -- -- viewer 93 years old and your driver's license expired four years ago. what is the problem they're? and also that it's kosher. in other words, if a concealed carry permit in texas is allowed, then why isn't a university of texas student i.d. also issued by the state of texas not count? it is kosher and above and beyond that you know i don't think it's particularly onerous. most people in society do have to register. in nursing homes and institutionalized settings or other places. most people do have i.d.s and i think the government could do something to reach into other places and help people get i.d.s but that should be part of the deal. let's go back t
people that want to work. everybody in this country should succeed, not just people in government. host: president obama gave an address yesterday talking about how congress should act to keep taxes low. let's take a listen. >> 97% of small-business owners will not see their taxes go up next year. this is something everybody says they agree on. it should have gotten done months ago. republicans in congress are standing in the way. there are holding tax cuts for 98% of americans hostage until they pass tax cuts for of the richest 2%. congress needs to step up and provide every responsible homeowner a chance to save $3,000 a year on mortgage at refinancing at lower rates. i give them a plan to do that in february. it is a plan that has the support of independent nonpartisan economists. republicans will not let it come to a vote. ask them how that helps homeowners. congress needs to step up and pass my plan to create a job corps to help our returning heroes find jobs as cops, firefighters and park rangers across the country. republicans in the senate voted that plane down. ask them why som
out with dignity, we gave the government there a chance. whether they take the chance or not, i don't know. afghanistan doesn't even look like we're going to get out of there with a stable government 'cause karzai is a crook, i think he's a crook. and the taliban just waiting in the mountains of pakistan and come in as soon as we leave. okay. let's go to iran. the president says he's making inroads with alt sanctions, that they're suffering there and that they're going to cave and if they don't, he'll do what's necessary. what we must is what he said, to prevent them from having nuclear weapons. why has that policy failed? >> no government in modern history stopped another government from building a nuke. the problem we have in iran is do you police to us policy. we have companies in the united states, companies all over the world doing economic business, making money in iran. you want to hurt iran? you got to play hard ball economically. the military option has got to be off the table. >> bill: so you think that when you say the military option has to be off the table, certainly no
in afghanistan and no evidence that the american plan to hand over to a credible, stable afghan government will work. these village elders tell me once u.s. troops leave, a civil war will begin and u.s.-trained afghan forces will not be able to stop it. >> are you preparing for this fight? are you already stockpiling weapons and ammunition and getting yourself ready? yes, we are, we will definitely fight, he says. and what about the afghan government? it's meaningless here, they say. you think it's possible that the taliban will try and come back. yes, they will, he says. it makes a decade's work of american battles seem futile. it wasn't always like this. >> the united states military has begun strikes. >> at first, the war had momentum. and a clear purpose. al qaeda with bases in afghanistan attack the united states on 9/11. just three months later, the u.s. drove the taliban from power, al qaeda and osama bin laden were on the run. it was done with a few hundred cia officers, special forces, and air power. a quick victory. but not decisive. >> that was nbc's richard engel reporting. and
this in syria. so something going on as we speak. the u.s. government did this with libya. basically arming the opposition. and you know, your men ri's men ri is only my friend for so long. is that a wise approach? >> no. i have spent time on this issue. there's no doubt providing nonlethal communication support is extraordinary important and secretary clinton announced massive amount of humanitarian assistance and ku dos to the administration for doing that. the real problem here is that there's this struggle within the romney campaign itself over syria between neo-conservatives to militarily intervene and those who actually are more reticent and the problem is that mr. romney flip flops between one group and the other and can't quite decide which one is more important. the bottom line, however, for purposes of american interest in the middle east, arming a rag tag group of rebels at this point in time is inconsistent with understanding when's going to emerge of syria in the long run. one of the reasons why i'm reticent is because we don't really know who the rebels are. some of them are a
like that? >> reporter: hey, alex, good afternoon, well, officially the israeli government has not said who they believe launched the drone, however, they cite media sources which they blame hezbollah and the media backers. officials fear the drone may have been part of an operation to spy on strategic sites in the country. and hezbollah is known to have sent israeli drones in the air space on previous occasions, in 2006, they launched a drone capable of carrying explosives into israel, but was shot down. but this was the first time in six years that hostile aircraft was known to have penetrated the country's air space. the defense minister said that israel takes the incident very seriously and will consider responses. of course, tensions between israel and iran are high as they continue to face off regarding iran's nuclear program. >> and then iran's response has been what? >> reporter: >> reporter: well, so far no immediate response, but they are reporting the israeli defenses, one website calls it a reference to the country's missile defense system. so so far, neither country is sayi
conservative as katherine made clear, there's nothing conservative about a government that prevents a woman from making her own health care decisions. governor romney talks about freedom. but freedom is the ability to determine the care you need when you need it. freedom is the ability to change jobs or start your own business without the fear of losing your health insurance. freedom is the knowledge that you'll no longer be charged more than men for the same health care. or denied affordable coverage just because you've beat cancer. and at a time when women make up nearly half the work force, and an increasing share of family bread winners, these are not just health issues or women's issues. these are economic issues that are vital and affect every family in america. they matter. when -- when a woman is the main bread winner for her family but takes home less pay for the same work, as a man does because she's a woman, that is not right. when my opponent's campaign was asked if he'd support legislation given -- giving women the tools to fight for an equal day's pay for an equal day's work,
difficult to govern, because redistricting is a part of this and the incentive among people in congress, whether it is a republican president or a democratic president, is to oppose virtually everything that the president of the opposite party wants to throudo. our system depends on cooperation and compromise. that's why many people across the political spectrum are very frustrated on how things are not working in washington. host: let's go to mark next. you could have a triangle between ohio, virginia, and florida, the three battleground states. mark is in florida. caller: thanks, steve. and thanks to your guests for all their work. seems whenever i call, you are hosting the show. at age 18 through age 30 i was in the u.s. marines and guarded the u.s. embassy and as a marine, which had its own demands. i did well at that. i am a unionized worker in the united states. i gave the non-unionized world a chance and got the beat out of me. i got my dignity back years ago by joining organized labor. my father was in the union. i moved south to florida from the midwest. i build an area called
be that the government is encouraging them not to. it could be that that they just have concluded that they would make such a presence if they went in, that they could become a sizable target. i just don't know. i think it's unfortunate that they've not been able to get into the crime scene. >> greta: you know, i've always been on the outside. it's very different on the outside than the inside. i'm curious if you have any sort of thought why the administration went out with the youtube video theory to begin with, because on the outside, it's 9/11, it's americans in a hostile environment, and on our territory, a consulate in libya, yet they went out with the youtube and they stuck with it for so many days. you know, even without the ability of intelligence, i would have at least couched it differently. >> well, you're quite right. they made a terrible mistake. i think what they did was, you know, hope springs eternal. they wanted it to be the youtube and they -- it was much more convenient from the administration's standpoint to have it be the film that nobody's seen. and yet it demonstrated such serio
15-minute segments. the first three on the economy. then healthcare. then the role of government. and finally governing. president obama will go first. won the coin toss. governor romney will have the last word. organizers say they decided that and today we got a preview of the game plan from both sides here on fox news channel. starting with the president's campaign. >> well, we're overcoming what was the worst recession since the great depression. we have made a lot of progress. we are losing 800,000 jobs a month. obviously we have created 5 million jobs. he will talk about the progress we have made and lay out a road map to create good paying sustainable jobs for the middle class. >> we have seen record unemployment for 43 consecutive months. 47 million americans on food stamps. one in six in poverty. if that's progress i hate to see what the next four years look like. >> shepard: well, as i mentioned, the president and governor romney will probably be speaking to the biggest tv audience of the campaign. four years ago on this night, 52 million americans watched the first pres
want to hang around and be dependent on the government and we have to wean him off of that because we don't want to pay income tax. now, the guy with a tax account in the cayman islands attacking people -- you've got to give him credit, like i said -- >> he's calling people a bunch of bums for people that pay taxes and then wait a minute, look at your tax account. it's hard to respond to and clinton makes it fun, too. >> the masterful speech at the democratic convention, in new hampshire, one of the key swing states, whenever you can laugh a little bit about your opponent, usually scoring good points on him. i do think that clearly mitt romney has not gotten out from the 47% comment. he's going to be confronted with it tonight. what's he going to say. how he's going to respond? how's he going to look at the approxima president and look at the cameras and say what he meant to say versus what he said? it's such a constricted and view of the country and so many voters are in fact republican voters and the reason that don't pay income taxes is because of republican policies. you're going
'll hear the latest number of the obama administration to step down in yet another government spending scandal. bill: a mid-air scare of the wrong kind. what if your seat comes loose? listen. >> we want the airline to succeed. the bottom line is that management isn't make the right decisions the airline can't succeed. bill: what is he saying? could this have something to do with a union dispute? bill: a peanut butter recall expanding. whole foods, target and stop and shop pulling several grand from their shelves after salmonella-related illnesses were linked to peanut butter sold at trader joe's. martha: a top obama appointee is out of a job after a report blasting his agency's $6 million conference tab. including this spoof of a hollywood classic. >> one of the worst mistakes you can make in carrying out your mission is getting the idea in your head that stability is a virtue. stability is not a virtue it's a trap. it means you are holding your own. it means you are standing still. martha: acting ratings aside. doug mcelway joins us from washington. we are hearing that film which was
of that nature. now, it's different whether there's a government grant, where the market power derives from political authority. and that's true of some of the essential facility cases. stadiums, stadium approvals and the like. but if the facility has become essential through market processes, which is surely the case of google, it represents success. and that firm is entitled to all the reward it can gain. now, greg and bob do a terrific job of showing why the google experience does not fit the scraps of law on essential facilities. but i think they should go further. they should deny that there's any merit to the concept at all. now, i think this is true of other parts of the paper. as i alluded to earlier, much of the paper is empirical. and i learned a lot from it really. there's a lot of detail in it. and i learned a lot. but the -- those responses and that empirical -- making the point that criticism by competitors of google's practices are just wrong on the facts. but i think that that's not enough. especially in representing the chicago school. the failings of the arguments by googl
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